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James R. Martin's avatar

"We have to consider degrowth."

Boy, now there's an understatement!

But the degrowth movement is extremely, astoundingly unlikely to prove politically viable within the political mainstream of the global North (rich countries), which to my mind means we can't put very many of our precious political eggs in that basket. What's needed, with the fullness of urgency, is a socio-political movement which seeks to institute radical social change in a degrowth direction from well outside of the political mainstream and its bought and owned corporate capitalist governments.

Now, to the ears of most people living here in the USA, where you and I live, Patrick, what I said makes no sense whatsoever. After all, they will be thinking, politics is a game of first getting majority support and then using that majority support to "put pressure on our representatives" ... and all that familiar yada yada. But that's not been working very well for us, now, has it? I mean for the last couple of hundred years, right?

The corporate owned, capitalist-industrial-consumer political system can't and won't turn in time to change course in time. And we all know that. So it's time to begin a serious conversation about what we are to do when we are a large, important, urgently necessary minority without political power in the old-fashioned sense of having hegemony within the establishment's carefully crafted Overton window.

So far, hardly anyone is up for this conversation, Patrick. Are you up for it? I have some good ideas, I think. But they aren't getting much traction, yet. That's because the conversation is what's needed for the traction to occur. Think of what Noam Chomsky said about concision in the film, Manufacturing Consent. Familiar ideas get easy traction. Unfamiliar ideas tend not to -- and especially when the billionaires and corporations own and control the media, etc.

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Laura's avatar

I love the concepts I read about in Kate Raworth’s Doughnut Economics. Basically, it’s about having an economic system that operates within the confines of planetary boundaries, vs. the growth/de-growth debate. Sometimes that means no growth, overall, with the exception of some impoverished countries, while at other times, it’s conceivable growth could once again occur, though that’s not the goal. I’m greatly oversimplifying the book’s contents, but I believe local groups are using the author’s ideas to begin creating such systems that function outside and yet also within a locale’s main economy. I’ve been itching to reread the book and find a way to get involved.

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